annnnnd yet another thread devolves into a discussion of proper behavior in public herb gardens.
we should run a pool on how many posts it will take every given discussion to become about replanting herbs in home streets.
and i wish to address the hypocrite issue.
recently i was bocked by someone i have enjoyed chatting with. i have no idea why.
maybe he just got to the point at which everything i said set his teeth on edge. that's his right, whether or not my little feelings are hurt. it's really hard to come into these discussions and give examples of times a person has blocked you for no reason you know of without coming off as a person who's whining about being blocked for no reason you know of.
so, no, my view on it is not any different at all when i am on the other end of the block.
i just don't start forum thread about it.
what would i say, anyway?
hey, everybody! so-and-so blocked me and i feel ok about that because that's his right not to speak to me if he doesn't feel like it and i just want you all to know that everything's fine and there's nothing here to look at!
I don't mind people picking the herbs. I put the herbs out for other's enjoyment but it's not going to be one person's extra herb garden. If I could plant an herb garden like my bean trees, where everyone who visited could harvest the same thing, then I would. It's one person hogging up resources that were intended for everyone that irks me.
"They were replanting but I still got annoyed that no one else was ever getting the herbs."
I think this is a really good example of why I don't think 'etiquette' lists, etc, are really that useful. I would have thought that most players with public gardens want others to shuck and replant, but for some that's not it.
Personally I think trying to dictate exactly what happens on your street is absurd, but none of this stuff is actually universal. Many of us have very different ideas about what fair use is.
I think the right to block is incredibly important and I will defend blocking as an option to be used however, whenever. But I'm defending it because I think it makes Glitch a safer space for all players to be able to limit harassment by choosing who to end interaction with. Like many others in this thread have already said: if someone blocks you because they don't like the way you're playing, you probably don't want to talk to them anyway. (Uh, and looking for someone who blocked you to hand them a note is tingling pretty high on my obvious harassment sensor, no matter how well-intentioned you think you're being.)
I'm a touch confused. If you only had ONE person visiting your street, then I would assume these other people missing out on herbs are far less concerned, as it would seem they don't excatly exist (as they haven't gone to your street).
Now if you've had more than one person visiting, but assume (it would be an assumption, unless you were there every time said person harvested your herbs) that is was this one person, then how do you know it was actually them everytime and not someone else some of the time?
Ok, I do not know how to get this across but in more than 9 months playing this game, I've blocked one person. This person used my street as their personal herb garden. Yes, the person was constantly on the street. Yes, I saw them picking herbs many times a day.
The final straw was when I saw them doing the same thing on a friend's street. I understand that this one person was the most dedicated herb gardener and in some people's eyes then they deserve the herbs but that's not how I felt about it. I feel that they were hogging limited resources. I consider it to be akin to when people put freebies out and one person takes all of it.
This was not the only person who visited my street. I'm not blocking everyone from my street.
The common refrain in this game is that you can't force everyone to play by your rules. I can't but I can use the ban option for the most egregious players.
I don't mean to have offended, or questioned your right to block anyone, or to even imply you block everyone willy nilly. You can block whoever you want honestly. No skin off my back. I just wanted clarification on the blocked persons percieved wrongs. :)
I am trying to visit my way through my "Friends" list (chronological order). So I rarely re-visit any home streets. I do everything I can to give lots of iMG to the friend.
Reading Enid's post here, I am left with the dilemma of "how much should I harvest (crops/herbs)?". I do understand her point of view when it appears that one visitor is constantly harvesting everything (although replanting). If I come across a 15-plot bed and everything is ready for harvest, is it wrong to take it all even if I replant in kind? Some of the streets I visit are on routes, others aren't. I don't know until I arrive. I don't know who planted - the house owner or a previous visitor. (I do read any signs & abide by them.)
I know I can do whatever I choose to do but what do you think is fair?
Patricia, my own thoughts are: harvest whatever. There are plenty of other people with gardens and you harvesting everything from one street (even multiple times a day) won't affect people's ability to get herbs unless they have a very silly inability to go to different home streets.
Patricia, I want my garden to be available to people. I know that my comments here don't sound like it but I do. I think that harvesting everything is fine, just replant. I try to replant with multiple things, so that they ready at different times, just to have goodies available to everyone. Just by the simple fact that you are questioning what is the fair thing to do means that you aren't going to "take" from others, you are just enjoying what is available.
I've seen some streets where the gnomes tell you that you are welcome to the veggies but please leave the onions. I usually try to follow the signs/gnomes.
It seems at the very end we all gonna end up being blocked by each other lol. "Blockers" block you for their own reason, you block them back 'cause you don't want them to have privilage to go to your street if you're not allowed to go to their street.
As some people mentioned above, I've been avoiding herb garden route so that owners wouldn't think that I didn't clear/replant, or that I have harvested much more then I should. So i have made myself 4 herb gardens in my back yard.
But I got mailed today by someone and this person told me that he has to block me because he think that I didn't clear his herb gardens. After checking his street info I remembered I was there to nibble pigs as I was trying to earn money for new rare items and streets with lot of pigs seemed like a good idea. Or not? Anyway I couldn't tell him that as it was already too late.
I would only suggest blockers to think twice before blocking someone as this person gonna end up with messed up gardens again and probably block many more before, if ever, he catch person who did this.
I don't understand blocking someone for not cleaning up a herb garden. Hoeing gardens earns a lot of iMG. Maybe I just value the iMG too much, but even if I'm not going to plant and I see a a weedy garden patch, I hoe it.
Dorgan, I don't block people for not hoeing (even if I wanted to (which I don't) I wouldn't know where to begin trying to find out from my butler who it was amongst the rest of the names!) but:
I have a crop garden in my yard and am on the crop garden route. I don't use the garden - it's there for others and I mostly just leave it alone. If I used it, I'd probably not mind having to hoe extra myself. But since I don't use it, that means that if it's unhoed then it is messy for the next visitors*. Sure, they might not mind having to hoe, but I'd much rather have either nice crops ready for my visitors to pick, or seeds in progress. It's possible that people who use the crop route just want to hoe a bunch of plots but I think it's probably more likely that they are looking for some crops as well. :)
*I do try to take care of it or pay someone to take care of it when I see it but yeah, my point is that sometimes it is not all about the img :)
"Yes sure, you have all the rights in the world to not say a single word. You are making me think that, you are so anti-social, that you have to kick out everyone that enters your home street at all costs. Like we are the plague, the swarm, the evil visitors."
What I worry about though is that I don't tend to harvest from public street herb or crop gardens (I have my own in my backyard), but I DO hoe and water public street gardens if I see they need it (my planting and cooking bags are generally not with me). If it's a person who I regularly chat with then I might nip home to pick up my gardening bag and come back again, but if it's a stranger I don't.
I don't want to be blocked by someone else who thinks that I harvested and didn't replant when I never harvested at all though. I fully restored, hoed and watered 3 large crop gardens in someone's street earlier today but didn't plant anything in them... I don't like to think that I might be blocked for this.
Oh well, their loss I guess. As far as I am aware, I haven't been blocked by anyone so far
To me, what seems to have gotten lost in all this is that your 'home' street is public. No one can do anything that is not allowed. It is not 'your' or 'my' street' just because it says (insert name here)'s home street. It is a public place. You (as well as most all of us) decided to create a resource in a public place. That makes it free game. No rules allowed. I don't care what people do on my home street, I don't 'own' it, I cannot control it anymore than I can control community gardens. Back yards are meant to control, not home streets. If TS wanted them to be private, they would be. Blocking players for not treating these public places the way you would prefer is no more or less rude than the people that think the only gain is harvesting. It is very kind for the 'homeowner' to provide the initial resources for their home street, but it is only that.... deciding, and providing the initial resource. It is then up to the owner to decide if he/she wants to upkeep that resource or not. If it is a useful, needed resource, the community will take care of it. We are certainly not required to hoe/water/plant/restore/pet/feed/sing to/massage any resouce anywhere. Home streets are for other people. I don't harvest my home street. If I need a resource, no home street can nearly provide enough to satisfy my needs, we have resource routes for that. I garden both herbs, and veggies... in my back yard where I can control what, and how much of what I grow. No need for trees/rocks/peat.... anything back there other than crops, because crops are the only resource that are not overabundatly (is that a word?) available on a route. It seems to boil down to 3 choices.....
1. Pretend your home street is your property... block, ban surveil, record all actions and react as if someone is breaking some kind of ettiqute/rule/imposition. (frustrated for life)
2. Realize your home street is public, and supply resources for the public... Restore, or Ignore at will. (no frustration/tension/animosity)
3. Do not add any resources to your home street, and bypass all the enjoyment, and/or related drama that you may personally create.
An empty plot for a day or two is no more a wasted resource than an oxygen molecule my lungs were unable to inhale at any given moment. Gardens do not have to be 'producing 24/7, do they? In many peoples opinion, the benefits from planting/watering/clearing, are much higher the the benefits from mearly harvesting.
as always just my 2 currants..... never blocked, never been blocked, but I'm sure we will never all see this issue similarly.
I don't harvest my home street. If I need a resource, no home street can nearly provide enough to satisfy my needs, we have resource routes for that.
I have a single metal rock in my home street because periodically when I walk by I will mine it. Doing it this way helps ensure that I have metal when I need it (I need it infrequently enough that this is enough for me). That's why I'm happy that my rock, 99.9% of the time, is not mined to a little "nub" rock. (For example.)
An empty plot for a day or two is no more a wasted resource than an oxygen molecule my lungs were unable to inhale at any given moment.
Again, I like to make sure that people going through the crop route have crops when they get to my street, whenever possible. Even IF people were to go through the crop route only for the hoeing benefits, then providing the crops would be a happy bonus that I'd really like to provide.
I agree whole-heartedly that we all 'should' (for our own benefit, as well as others) do every interaction possible on every plot/crop/animal, either in UR, or on home streets, that we interact with. The only problem I see is admonishing those that don't do what I/We 'think' they 'should'. Should I/We/They be blocked from the Ancesteral Lands for harvesting, but not watering/petting a paper tree?......Is it wrong to milk, but not massage, or sing to a butterfly in Bortola? I've got some rocks as well in my yard, rarely mine them, but nice to have when you need a couple rods for sloth feeding. I could not Imagine thinking twice if one were only partially mined... they are not no longer 'mine'. I gave them (once) to the community, have no Idea how many times I have restored/helped restore/had no hand in restoring, but they are handily close if needed, and available. I think it's an 'ownership issue, that really does not need to exist.
Truly not trying to come of snarky, mean, rude.... just not much experience conversing with strangers.... I'm happy and hope everyone else is here too... Just sad to see the Aggro, over what I see as a non-issue
Personally if I want to milk but don't have time to massage along with it, I'll do butterflies on non-home-streets as the little buggers seem to die so fast. I used to be the same way with trees (although have now relaxed a little bit, but still have concerns as I'm never quite sure when trees get "unhealthy" or not). But I certainly wouldn't want to put that kind of pressure on my visitors. (On the other hand, when I see notes that politely ask for petting when harvesting, etc, I abide by them. (If I see notes demanding things or threatening blocks I'll most likely leave the street.))
I love the way that TS has given me a little corner of Glitch to create with and tend to and use to make others happy! :) While our resources are completely public to everyone we haven't blocked, they're also our little spaces, and that's why I try to look out for notes and things where people express what they'd like to see happen in their home streets. I think it's about balance. So many things come into play here...
- not having unrealistic expectations about your home street (which will lead to you being disappointed and unhappy more likely than not)
- visiting someone else's street and attempting to make that a good experience for the street cultivator as well as yourself
- the decisions about if you'd like to be on a resource route or keep a bit more to yourself (both completely valid but definitely things to be considered as they'll affect how things happen on your street)
- along with the above, the opportunities we have to try to make the experience in our home street as good as possible for our visitors
- and so forth
Feel Free to visit me at my street, you will not be blocked or harmed in any way. I had a little bit of grief about people tending to vegetable plots so I chose not to replace those. Instead I put things that regenerate themselves.
This doesn't seem to be that hard of a concept for me.
hehe, me too.... I'm checking into a bug now that I believe is causing me to 'drink', rather than 'deposit' my last few batches of hooch. I too, of course, feel some sort of 'oneness' with my home street. I did 'create' it, and look after it. I am near to doing away with the wood tree, as it's little bit of necessary tending is becoming more dramatic than I care to deal with. They are not pretty as stumps, and regardless of the amount of fertilidust I leave there, it is surely not being used as I hoped. Not a problem, I will change that tree to something more hardy, and continue to harvest my planks where I always have.
I do truly feel for the crop route people though. I hadn't really considered the reason to keep home street gardens before. It must be one of largest contributions to the game there is. It would take alot of perseverance to maintain street gardens, knowing that they are prone to requiring alot of maintenance in today's atmosphere.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I usually am!) but isn't it also a valid play style to put herb gardens on your street with intent to lure other players to your street so that you can block them as they appear, one by one, until you've blocked everyone?
Perhaps this is some great masterplan unfolding... a small population of "blockheads" infiltrate the resource routes, taking over vital lynchpins in the street system, and then block everyone off the routes!
You are all always welcome on my street. Come steal my pigs!
I have a single metal rock in my home street because periodically when I walk by I will mine it. Doing it this way helps ensure that I have metal when I need it (I need it infrequently enough that this is enough for me).
Oh, for sure, I get that... I have jellisac in my garden for the same reason. Rocks respawn a lot more quickly than most herbs/crops, take longer to get down to 0, but less time to be put in a position where they will respawn effectively (just get rid of the whole rock, no need to harvest, water & replant)... I used to have a street full of rock and it was rarely in a state where I couldn't get what i needed.
Diaveborn - I TOTALLY agree, this is one of my favorite things too! I do dislike when discussions have a tone of what others have to do, trying to mandate that kindness, rather than talking about what is nice or helpful... but that shouldn't overshadow all the good.
*edit due to comment being vaporized by phone*
All blocks by me have been due to conduct in chat. If a Glitch is so disruptive in chat that I feel a need to block, I can only assume they won't be any nicer face to face.
...your 'home' street is public. No one can do anything that is not allowed. It is not 'your' or 'my' street' just because it says (insert name here)'s home street. It is a public place. You (as well as most all of us) decided to create a resource in a public place. That makes it free game. No rules allowed.
Blocking people is very much "allowed."
Different people have different imaginary rules about why one should or should not ever block anybody. People whose home streets have deplete-able resources like herb gardens or wood trees sometimes block others for reasons that boil down to, "I think you grabbed too big a slice of the pie we were all sharing here, and I don't want you coming back."
But it is a free game. If street owners want to block random glitchen for any reason at all, they can block them. In that sense, thank TS, there are no rules allowed.
"I don't 'own' it, I cannot control it anymore than I can control community gardens."
Not exactly true. The home streets are more 'open to the public' than truly public. I CAN control my home street more than I can control the community gardens. I, alone, determine what resources to place there. I have the right to block anyone from entering my street and I can grant people - at my discretion - the right to make certain changes. Just as restaurants "reserve the right to refuse service" for any, or no, reason. I have the right to refuse access.
In my view home streets are public in the sense the owner has kindly shared whatever resources she wishes with any other glitch that wants to stop by. They're not public in the sense of public streets like the rest of the game. They have an owner, and the owner can do whatever he damn pleases, including not sharing anything at all, or blocking everyone from accessing his street, thus turning it into a completely private space.
She has all control, power, and ownership of her own home street. It's not more public than say an empty bag on a random place that I choose to fill with goodies from time to time, and have the option to also decide who will not be allowed to take said goodies from my bag.
1. The owner of the street can do whatever she damn pleases with her own street. You don't like what's on my street, move on. There's plenty more to walk on, and part of the fun for me is exploring new home streets and towers I've never been to before. If you think I can improve on any aspect of my street, I'd love to hear about it, in a friendly and constructive manner. If you treat my street like you own it, expect not to be taken seriously -- and might receive some bat poo with the next frog shipment.
With this being said however, on the issue of blocking individuals, I am very laid back, and enjoy sharing. Thus it'll take much more than a couple weedy patches for me to notice, much less block someone. I don't honestly care, it's there for everyone to use, glitches harvest it, glitches replant, glitches rebuild the resources when depleted. If they don't properly take care of it, they don't have it. Simple and self-regulating.
And yea, I seldom harvest resources from my own street, there's the back yard for that.
2. The visitors can do whatever they damn please on my own street. I am very laid back, and seldom check the visitors list, nor care much what you do while here. If you want to touch me, leave a message by the butler and I always get back.
Cheers, a big hug, and a batch of freshly brewed hooch ;)
Ok want me to reply to all of your posts? Ok you all have well rounded opinions that are closely tied to the TOS rights, and thats perfectly fine. I'm completely aware of your rights and mine, don't worry about trying to tell me whats what. I just tried to state my opinion about blocking, that even that we have rights we should try to generally be nice people. But whatever right? That's just my plea, whatever man.
Maybe TS should make us be able to toggle home streets to be private.